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For almost 250 years, the United States Postal Service (USPS) has provided an essential service to the nation, connecting communities and supporting commerce by delivering mail and packages to more than 160 million addresses. Yet, decades of financial challenges, aging infrastructure and shifting customer demands have highlighted the urgent need for transformation.

In a recent episode of The Talent Transformation Podcast, Dimitri Boylan visited their headquarters to talk with Jenny Utterback, Vice President of Organization Development at USPS, and get an inside look at how one of America’s most iconic institutions is navigating profound change.

Central to their transformation is the ten-year strategic plan, Delivering for America. This $40 billion initiative seeks to modernize infrastructure, enhance service standards and adapt to evolving customer needs. Initiatives like transitioning to an electric delivery fleet by 2035, reducing non-career workforce turnover by 50 percent and upgrading processing facilities and IT systems demonstrate the organization’s focus on immediate improvements and future readiness.

The lessons from USPS’ transformation resonate far beyond the public sector. The Postal Service demonstrates that even organizations steeped in history can adapt, innovate and thrive in today’s business landscape by modernizing operations and empowering their workforce.

Let’s explore how they’re doing it.

Transforming the Public Sector

Transformation in the public sector is no small feat, and USPS’s journey has been shaped by formidable challenges. Over the past 14 years, the organization has faced $87 billion in financial losses, partly due to chronic underinvestment in infrastructure. The COVID-19 pandemic further exacerbated these issues, as workforce illnesses, quarantines and a sharp shift from mail to package volume placed additional strain on operations. Outdated networks, redundant structures and high turnover among non-career employees have also underscored the urgency for systemic change.

Despite these hurdles, USPS is rewriting the narrative. With 640,000 employees, 31,000 facilities and daily service to 167 million addresses, one of the biggest challenges for the Postal Service is the sheer scale of its operations. In fact, if it were a private sector organization, the Postal Service would rank 52nd in the 2023 Fortune 500. As Utterback highlighted, its unique position—independent from federal funding yet committed to universal service—requires the organization to function with the agility of a private corporation while fulfilling its public service mandate. This dual role amplifies the urgency behind its transformation efforts.

We service over 167 million addresses, five to six days a week. That’s an incredible responsibility, and we take pride in it.”

Jenny Utterback
VP of Organization Development, USPS

What’s more, USPS competes directly with private sector giants like FedEx and UPS. In this sense, Boylan noted the unique standpoint of the organization in the face of modernization efforts:

Most government agencies don’t have that kind of direct competition. It adds an entirely different layer of complexity.”

Dimitri Boylan
CEO of Avature

Redefining Leadership: Meeting Workforce Needs Across Generations

Amid this vast endeavor, the institution’s approach to digital transformation is rooted in process redesign. Upgrading systems is just one component of the equation; equally important is fostering the cultural and behavioral changes necessary to support those systems. In this context, technology serves as an enabler rather than a standalone solution. The ultimate goal is to deliver personalized and adaptable experiences for both employees and customers. To achieve this, agility and efficiency are central to USPS’ roadmap for replacing legacy solutions.

One critical aspect of USPS’ strategy is balancing its deep well of institutional knowledge with the need to modernize. Utterback highlighted that preserving the expertise and practices developed over decades is equally critical while adopting new technologies and processes.

At the same time, fostering innovation and testing new approaches is essential to stay aligned with a rapidly changing world. This dual focus ensures that USPS leverages the wisdom of its experienced workforce while becoming agile and forward-looking.

Utterback noted that transformation involves addressing the diverse needs of one of the country’s most varied workforces, “a microcosm of the nation,” in Utterback’s words. With employees spanning multiple generations, USPS recognizes that a one-size-fits-all approach is not enough.

Taking learning and development programs as an example, Utterback highlighted that while younger workers gravitate toward collaborative, technology-driven learning environments, more tenured staff often prefer structured, in-person training. By tailoring training methods to these preferences, USPS fosters a cohesive, inclusive culture that values diversity while driving progress.

The newer generation learns differently. They are used to working in groups and using technology constantly, which makes their needs very different from those of previous generations.”

Dimitri Boylan
CEO of Avature

To meet modern workforce expectations, USPS is also redefining the role of managers. Traditionally burdened by administrative tasks, managers are now equipped to focus more on engaging directly with employees.

We need our managers to be agile, resilient and ready to embrace technology. It’s about creating an environment where employees want to come to work.”

Jenny Utterback
VP of Organization Development, USPS

To achieve this, USPS has redesigned its leadership programs, ensuring supervisors and mid-level managers gain next-generation skills such as agility, resilience and digital literacy. These programs provide frameworks for embracing digital transformation and applying it effectively to daily operations.

Component-based learning ensures consistency across soft and technical skills, fostering a new generation of leaders who balance operational oversight with employee engagement: “Instead of being behind a desk trying to crunch numbers and reports, we want to retain our new employees coming in, and who will become that next generation of leadership,” Utterback explained.

These efforts also extend to frontline supervisors, who are encouraged to focus on setting performance expectations, providing feedback and fostering a motivational workplace environment. This shift enhances the broader employee experience and supports the retention of new hires who represent USPS’ future.

Retention Through Career Growth

USPS is renowned for its long tenure of employees. However, in an era of increasing employee turnover, the organization is working to buck the trend by practicing exceptional retention strategies.

There’s an incredible commitment and loyalty to the organization. People come in and stay five, ten, twenty years. And we’re still seeing that.”

Jenny Utterback
VP of Organization Development, USPS

These initiatives include USPS’ career conferences, which function as internal job fairs where employees can explore new opportunities. “In the past three years, we’ve had over fifty national conferences to educate the broader workforce about advancement. We offer virtual supervisor job fairs, which allow us to share the expectations of the job. Employees hear directly from our operations leaders and learn how to apply. They also learn what skill sets we’re looking for,” she pointed out.

Boylan was notably impressed by the muscularity of the mobility program: “You might be ahead of some of our corporate customers on that.” He added that although a robust internal mobility program can serve as a powerful driver of organizational success, many organizations face hurdles in achieving it because of the politics of mobility, mainly because of resistance from line managers reluctant to lose top talent to other departments.

However, companies that overcome these barriers can unlock significant value. As Utterback pointed out, securing support from operational leadership transforms internal mobility into a win-win proposition:

We actually have an incredible amount of buy-in from our operational leadership, who also see the value because they’re beneficiaries too. They are the people who come in as our frontline employees, get promoted to supervisors, get promoted to managers and then make for more productive admin and support staff because they know the business.”

Jenny Utterback
VP of Organization Development, USPS

Such alignment ensures that mobility benefits not just individuals but the business as a whole.

USPS also invests in professional certifications and leadership development programs and tailors employee value propositions for diverse roles, from mail carriers to cybersecurity engineers. “We have employees who start as letter carriers and retire decades later, having built multiple careers within USPS,” Utterback shared. “It’s about creating lifelong opportunities in one organization.”

A Vision for Sustainability

Utterback’s leadership is guided by a commitment to sustainability, not just environmental but organizational. By embedding data-driven decision-making and commercial best practices, USPS ensures that changes are not temporary but build a lasting foundation for success that reaffirms its fundamental role in American life.

Transformation doesn’t have an endpoint. As our customers and employees evolve, so must we. That’s how we stay relevant and competitive.”

Jenny Utterback
VP of Organization Development, USPS

Through transparent communication, investments in infrastructure and consistent leadership, USPS is positioning itself to thrive for another 250 years. The ultimate goal is to continue serving Americans reliably while evolving to meet the needs of future generations.

In this sense, Boylan concluded, “What USPS is doing is nothing short of remarkable. They prove that even public sector organizations can set the bar for innovation and transformation.”

Dimitri
Hello and welcome to another episode of the Talent Transformation Podcast. Today we are at the US Postal Service with Jenny Utterback, the Vice President of Organization Development. Jenny, pleasure to be here.

Jenny
Thank you for having me. I’m looking forward to it.

Dimitri
Yeah, well, I’m actually your guest in a sense here because we are in the Post Office headquarters. I’m really looking forward to this. Can you start by giving me an idea of what it means to be the Vice President of Organization Development at the Post Office?

Jenny
This is a pretty incredible role. I’m responsible for helping shift and shape our workforce of today and the future. I lead traditional organization development functions like design and effectiveness, as well as leadership development, succession planning, talent management, training, and talent acquisition. I’ve had the opportunity to leverage my expertise and experiences throughout my career in this role.

Dimitri
So how did you get into the post office?

Jenny
Great question. I started at the Postal Service in 2007 as a recruiter. At the time, like many organizations, the Postal Service was struggling to fill hard-to-recruit professional positions. Leadership created a new talent acquisition and retention group, and I was one of the first recruiters hired to fill niche jobs.

Dimitri
I spent seven years as a recruiter myself. Was joining the post office intentional, or was it more accidental?

Jenny
It was a bit of both. Before joining the Postal Service, I worked for a civil engineering firm in an HR generalist capacity, where recruitment was part of my role. One of the directors at the Postal Service reached out to me about the opportunity. I thought it sounded interesting, so I applied and joined. At the time, I didn’t fully understand the breadth of what the Postal Service offers, but I saw it as a great opportunity to build our university relations recruitment group and apply my prior experience. I thought I’d be here a couple of years, and 17 years later, I’m still here, now leading the organization development group.

Dimitri
Time does fly. What is the scope of the US Postal Service today? I know it’s much broader than I thought.

Jenny
We are the second-largest employer in the country, serving over 167 million addresses five or six days a week. We have 31,000 postal facilities, over 640,000 employees, and deliver to every community across the nation. We also have the largest retail network in the United States, with 30,000 physical locations.

Dimitri
You’re really at the top in several categories. Beyond logistics, you’ve got professions like law enforcement, cybersecurity, and even nurses, right?

Jenny
Yes, we do! We have doctors and nurses on staff, a large general counsel team, HR professionals, marketers, financial experts, and even a strong sales force. One of our strategic pillars is focusing on revenue growth, and our sales team plays a critical role in tapping into new markets.

Dimitri
That must pose challenges for both talent acquisition and talent management, especially with the diverse communities you serve and the many roles you need to fill.

Jenny
Absolutely. We segment our recruiting efforts based on the employee value proposition for each group. For example, we target pre-career roles like carriers and clerks differently than we target industrial engineers or administrative positions. While our core value proposition remains consistent, the benefits and messaging for specific skill sets vary.

Dimitri
Your competition must be fierce, especially for specialized roles like robotics or automation engineers. How do you approach that?

Jenny
We handle it in a few ways. For critical expertise, we may directly recruit and source specific skill sets or leverage vendors for specialized projects. It’s part of our broader talent management strategy—deciding whether to build, buy, or grow talent internally. Honestly, we aim to do all of the above.

Dimitri
The Postal Service is on a digital transformation journey. Tell me about its scope and goals.

Jenny
We started about four or five years ago by assessing our legacy systems, many of which were outdated. We developed a roadmap to implement best-in-class recruitment and hiring systems and improve overall performance. For me, transformation begins with behavior and cultural change. We start by redesigning processes and then let technology enable those changes, rather than letting technology drive the process.

Dimitri
It seems like efficiency is just one part of your transformation. There are broader objectives like agility and the ability to adapt to market changes. How do you balance those while competing with commercial companies?

Jenny
As an independent agency of the executive branch, we don’t receive federal funding or tax dollars. We’ve been executing a ten-year strategic plan to balance covering costs while continuing to serve the public. This involves driving efficiencies, reinvesting in infrastructure and employees, and growing revenue. From a human capital perspective, it’s complex to support this transformation while bringing employees along for the journey.

Dimitri
How are you handling change management internally?

Jenny
We’re tackling it head-on with clear communication and investment in employee training. Our Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy, came in about five years ago with a fresh perspective. He’s challenged traditional practices and worked with leadership to define a path forward, including standing up new regional and local processing centers. We’re equipping middle managers and frontline supervisors with the tools they need to guide their teams through these changes.

Dimitri
How are you preparing next-generation managers for leadership in this rapidly evolving environment?

Jenny
We’re redesigning training and leadership programs to focus on agility, resilience, and digital proficiency. We’re also providing managers with tools to focus on employee engagement, set performance expectations, and create an environment where employees thrive. Retaining and developing talent is critical to ensuring that our next-generation leaders are prepared for future challenges.

Dimitri
The next generation of employees and leaders behaves differently. Are you addressing generational shifts in how you recruit, train, and retain talent?

Jenny
Absolutely. While all employees share basic human needs—wanting to succeed, be developed, and feel a sense of accomplishment—the ways we recruit, hire, and train vary by generation. We’re introducing new training modalities but ensuring we don’t leave other generations behind.

For example, newer employees often lack the institutional knowledge that used to come naturally over time. To address this, we emphasize technical and functional training in our leadership programs. On the flip side, bringing in external talent with fresh commercial perspectives helps us balance innovation with experience.

Dimitri
Knowledge transfer seems crucial, especially when experienced employees retire. How are you handling the retention of intellectual property while fostering new ideas?

Jenny
We focus on balancing both. For example, we’re looking at experiential and on-the-job learning, which resonates well with adult learners. We still value in-person training for building connections and practicing new skills, but we’re exploring hybrid approaches to meet different needs.

For institutional knowledge, we ensure it’s documented and shared while leveraging the fresh ideas brought in by external hires. It’s a mix that enables us to address large-scale challenges collaboratively.

Dimitri
How do you communicate your transformation to prospective employees, especially given the Postal Service’s large and established brand?

Jenny
We adapt our messaging to highlight opportunities beyond what people traditionally associate with the Postal Service, like carriers and clerks. For professional hires, we emphasize the infrastructure supporting the organization and the exciting advancements in technology. For skilled maintenance workers, we focus on the investments we’re making in new facilities and cutting-edge equipment.

It’s challenging because we compete in every market, but we’re also transparent about the demands of our roles. Balancing that with the benefits and opportunities for long-term careers helps attract the right talent.

Dimitri
You mentioned starting as a recruiter 17 years ago. What roles have you held since then?

Jenny
After talent acquisition, I transitioned into our organization effectiveness group, focusing on aligning strategy with structure and job classification. Later, I moved into leadership and career development. To broaden my understanding, I took on operational roles to see the impact of national initiatives on employees and customers.

This combination of HR and operational experience has made me more effective in my current role. I’ve also benefited from our succession planning and leadership programs, which helped prepare me to lead our HR technology and innovation team, a role that introduced me to digital transformation.

Dimitri
That’s impressive. How important is technical aptitude for today’s leaders?

Jenny
It’s essential. While you don’t need to be a technologist, understanding enough to guide decisions and leverage technology to improve business processes is critical. My experience in HR technology allowed me to contribute meaningfully to our broader digital transformation.

Dimitri
Is the Postal Service adopting a skills-based approach to workforce planning?

Jenny
Yes, we focus on identifying transferable skills, the skills needed today, and those required in the future. This helps us balance immediate hiring needs with long-term upskilling to prepare employees for future roles.

Dimitri
Are there any new programs or initiatives you’re excited about that are still in the idea phase?

Jenny
We recently took an inventory of our leadership and management programs and are redesigning them into more component-based training. This ensures consistency across programs like “Management 201,” where all leaders learn the same soft skills, overlaid with functional and technical training.

For our maintenance function, we’re shifting from machine-specific training to a component-based skills approach. This creates a vocational-style expertise applicable across technologies, with machine-specific training as needed. I’m excited about this direction—it will make us more agile and responsive to business needs.

We’re also exploring different learning modalities to move away from “death by PowerPoint” and meet learners where they are. Expect some exciting developments in the next two to three years.

Dimitri
Let’s talk about artificial intelligence. It’s a hot topic. How does AI factor into your digital transformation?

Jenny
We’re exploring AI cautiously, especially in the human capital space. While there are opportunities for AI in learning and marketing roles, we must be careful when it comes to hiring and selection. I see AI as a tool to enhance decision-making and streamline processes rather than replacing human judgment.

Dimitri
AI certainly has its place, especially in areas like marketing or automating repetitive tasks. How do employees react when AI comes up in the context of transformation?

Jenny
It’s definitely a topic of interest. Employees often ask how AI fits into our broader transformation, and we address their questions honestly. AI can handle tasks people don’t want to do, but our approach focuses on using it thoughtfully to complement, not replace, human contributions.

Dimitri
You seem genuinely excited about your role. Did you envision it being this engaging when you started?

Jenny
I always said that the job I wanted didn’t exist yet—and four years ago, this role was created. I immediately knew I wanted to lead this team. It’s been incredible to see the expertise and discipline my group has brought to HR transformation, which supports broader Postal Service strategies. I’m proud of what we’ve accomplished and eager to continue driving meaningful change.

Dimitri
It’s inspiring to hear how committed you are to leaving a lasting impact.

Jenny
Thank you. My goal is to ensure that what we put in place is sustainable, not just the flavor of the moment. That’s why process re-engineering is so critical—it removes personal preferences and politics, relying on data-driven approaches to improve efficiency and effectiveness. Ultimately, HR’s role is to meet the needs of the business, and I’m proud to help make that happen.

Dimitri
It’s been great chatting with you, Jenny. I’d love to have you back to share updates as your transformation progresses.

Jenny
Thank you! I appreciate the opportunity and look forward to continuing the conversation.

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